drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Sep 21, 2012 6:12:55 AM
LOL, those are not tomeboy's words, they are a cut and paste regurgitation of Jonathan Fahey of the AP. and tomeboy did not even bother to credit Mr. Fahey, can you say plagiarism? That violates Gas Buddy policy.
Two questions for letemeatcake. One, what's your position on anthropogenic global warming? Two, what's your position on the export of petroleum distillates?
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 9/21/2012 9:16:23 AM EST]
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LetemEatCake

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 9:08:17 PM
There is no doubt that Tomeboy speaks the truth! The solution to the whining of the Coal industry is exports. There is much more profit there than competing with NG in the US. The companies have always had a lousy business model. Too bad the companies bet on their legislators so heavily.
Those who have lost their jobs must have the best vocational re-training possible. Anyone with an A or B Commercial license can get a job in the Oil fields at the drop of a hat.
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drpepperTX

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Texas
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2012 6:24:02 AM
Sure tomeboy, all is well, all is well....the coal industry has only lost 25-30% of its work force....ALL IS WELL!
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:30:43 PM
Coal executives are hardly giving up. Consol Energy, a coal and natural gas producer based in Canonsburg, Pa., and other U.S. coal companies hope to be able to keep mines active by exporting more of the country's huge reserves. Last year U.S. coal exports hit a record 107 million short tons. High grade coal that is used to make steel is in particular demand in developing countries such as China, India and Brazil.
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:26:46 PM
Now coal is being beaten at its own game. Natural gas has become a cheap and abundant domestic resource, too. And it is more environmentally friendly.
Power plants that burn coal produce more than 90 times as much sulfur dioxide, five times as much nitrogen oxide and twice as much carbon dioxide as those that run on natural gas, according to the Government Accountability Office, the regulatory arm of Congress. Sulfur dioxide causes acid rain; nitrogen oxides cause smog; and carbon dioxide is a so-called greenhouse gas that traps heat in the atmosphere.
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:25:20 PM
The shift from coal is reverberating across Appalachia, where mining companies are laying off workers and cutting production. Utilities across the country are grappling with how to store growing piles of unused coal. And legal disputes are breaking out as they try to cancel contracts and defer deliveries.
Coal has dominated the U.S. power industry for so long because it's a cheap and abundant domestic resource. The U.S. is the world's second-largest coal producer after China, and it has the world's biggest reserves — enough to last more than 200 years.
Coal has also enjoyed strong political support because of the jobs it provides in mining and transportation. That helped coal thrive even as environmental concerns over mining practices and air quality grew.
Just five years ago, coal was flourishing in the U.S. With electricity demand and the price of natural gas both rising, coal was viewed as essential to keeping power costs under control. Utilities drew up plans to build dozens of coal-fired plants.
But around the same time, a revolution was under way in the natural gas industry. Drillers figured how to tap enormous deposits of previously inaccessible reserves. As supplies grew and the price of natural gas plummeted, the ground shifted under the electric-power industry.
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:22:17 PM
The fuel that powered the U.S. from the industrial revolution into the iPhone era is being pushed aside as utilities switch to cleaner and cheaper alternatives.
The share of U.S. electricity that comes from coal is forecast to fall below 40% for the year, its lowest level since World War II. Four years ago, it was 50%. By the end of this decade, it is likely to be near 30%.
"The peak has passed," says Jone-Lin Wang, head of Global Power for the energy research firm IHS CERA.
Utilities are aggressively ditching coal in favor of natural gas, which has become cheaper as supplies grow. Natural gas has other advantages over coal: It produces far fewer emissions of toxic chemicals and gases that contribute to climate change, key attributes as tougher environmental rules go into effect.
Natural gas will be used to produce 30% of the country's electricity this year, up from 20% in 2008. Nuclear accounts for 20%. Hydroelectric, wind, solar and other renewables make up the rest.
[Edited by: Tomeboy at 9/20/2012 1:23:22 AM EST]
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:15:23 PM
Tomeboy wrote: "With natural gas priced below $3 per million British thermal units, down from about $8 in 2008, many gas-fueled plants can make electricity for about two cents a kilowatt hour, less than half what it costs to run many coal units."
Tea Party fanatics: Ya'll hear that? It is the market forces (supply/demand of LNG) that does this. Who would have thought that would happen when we drilled?
[Edited by: TustinDad at 9/20/2012 1:16:11 AM EST]
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:14:12 PM
Natural-gas plants set market prices in Texas, and their costs are so low that they can often sell power for less than what it costs to run a coal plant. One reason costs are higher is because of coal-handling expenses and the higher number of employees it takes to run a coal plant compared with a gas-fired plant.
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:10:49 PM
Coal has been losing ground to natural gas ever since a boost in shale-gas production sent the price of natural gas tumbling four years ago. But now the natural-gas price advantage is beginning to affect the coal units that seemed most protected from the shift. Many of these plants have the latest environmental upgrades and are often close to coal deposits.
The reason: With natural gas priced below $3 per million British thermal units, down from about $8 in 2008, many gas-fueled plants can make electricity for about two cents a kilowatt hour, less than half what it costs to run many coal units.
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Tomeboy

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 10:07:29 PM
Actual Energy Costs Are Driving Us Towards a Natural Gas Nation
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TustinDad

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:57:09 PM
granitestater wrote: "This is Obama's idea of a success story. Cutting 'dirty' coal production. Now those mineworkers can take up basket weaving."
But he stopped 100,000 autoworkers from having to take up basket weaving. Doesn't that count for something?
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:34:47 PM
RENEGADEGAS wrote: "The greenie weenies have caused yet another catastrophe in America. I dont want to hear another peep out of them about BP, or any other oil accidents. They have caused more harm, higher utilities and loss of jobs to America than all of that combined."
It would be very interesting to see the numbers that you have to back that up. But, my promise to you is that I will not hold my breath waiting for them.
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Cellsite

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Appleton
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:33:55 PM
To TustinDad. Too funny.
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boatmen

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:28:49 PM
slow with multiply articles
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crreed1

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West Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:25:57 PM
ok
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boatmen

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:25:17 PM
It has to be figured on moving away from coal would decrease demand there by reducing work force. Down sizing, outsourcing, or as Romney would say we are having an outstanding year closed down 2 more company's and moved production to china increasing our corporate profits
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12766

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:21:17 PM
OK
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RENEGADEGAS

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Missouri
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:20:31 PM
The greenie weenies have caused yet another catastrophe in America. I dont want to hear another peep out of them about BP, or any other oil accidents. They have caused more harm, higher utilities and loss of jobs to America than all of that combined.
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OGW

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London
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:20:26 PM
Coal mining has killed too many workers. Close them all.
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Gassed01

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:19:39 PM
Sell the coal to the Chinese. Or trade it for crap that comes back in container ships to Walmart stores.
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granitestater

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:19:15 PM
This is Obama's idea of a success story. Cutting 'dirty' coal production. Now those mineworkers can take up basket weaving.
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cheapertvs

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Richmond
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:19:06 PM
We could use those jobs in Virginia.
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Hi1

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:18:56 PM
That is to bad for the workers.
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10k

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North Carolina
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:18:35 PM
y'all sheeple just keep voting for your saviour, nobama the magnificent, and you will be in nobama's bread line, begging for food and heat..
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mfeldstein

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Ottawa
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:18:19 PM
Good for the environment. Bad for jobs where they're very much needed.
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bvrbill

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Eugene
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:17:22 PM
Use Nat Gas here. Export coal.
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arb0526

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:15:43 PM
the UK developed a method to use coal cleanly to power its plants that produce electricity from underground coal mines without removal.
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TustinDad

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Orange County
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:14:12 PM
Cellsite wrote: "TustinDad, you'll think different when it costs $500 a month to heat your house with natural gas. Gasoline used to be abundant and cheap too."
That will never happen. It's warm around here and the gas bill is around $12. If you think your bill is getting too high, just move. Stay out of California, we don't want you, but Arizona will welcome you!
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CDMAuto

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Connecticut
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:13:57 PM
Bad News
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bridgerunner

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:13:02 PM
It WILL not get any better!
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rahcat

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:10:49 PM
Thank you Presidink Obama and the EPA.
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starfighter08

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:10:46 PM
BHO declared war on the coal industry and pledged to shutdown every coal fired plant in the country. They don't care how it effects the average US family. If rising energy costs bankrupt people, it's just too bad. Tough sh*t for them.
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yakstar

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:10:20 PM
coal is a very inexpensive, clean fuel! Not!
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Redcarn

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Indianapolis
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:09:53 PM
The Global Warming drummers did this.
[Edited by: Redcarn at 9/20/2012 12:11:25 AM EST]
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RoadKing95

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:09:50 PM
Cellsite ... Lay off the tea. Tustindad speaks truth
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OGW

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London
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:09:29 PM
It is rough on those people working in the coal mines but coal mines should have been closed years ago and thousands of lives would have been saved.
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NoGas714

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:09:17 PM
A campaign promise that he followed through on. Awesome!
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gocatgo

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:08:01 PM
Like America will never sell another ship load of coal overseas, right.
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N5EXY

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Austin
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:07:42 PM
What's a phone booth, radiorumor? Anything like a BFO?
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1fulltank

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:07:23 PM
The mines and the coal will still be there if ever the need arises.
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Cellsite

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:06:35 PM
TustinDad, you'll think different when it costs $500 a month to heat your house with natural gas. Gasoline used to be abundant and cheap too.
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pepinoNC

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Raleigh
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:04:57 PM
The end of dirty coal,time to move on to natural gas.
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TustinDad

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:03:35 PM
ExplorerWA wrote: "An more to come as approximately 200 coal fired electric generating plants are shut down. Can someone supply me a list of replacement plants? Looks like brownouts and blackouts for days and months are coming but at least we will have a cleaner environment. "
Find the list yourself! But think of this for a moment, please. The utility companies are in business to make money. Do you really think they will shut down plants without securing needed energy production? LNG plants are cheaper to operate than old coal plants. We are not going to have electricity shortage because of closed coal plants.
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radiorumor

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:02:21 PM
Times change, it’s even hard to find a phone booth now
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BAMBAM197105

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Pennsylvania
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:02:05 PM
OK
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shores4now

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Kentucky
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:01:02 PM
Ok
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TustinDad

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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 9:00:47 PM
Cellsite wrote: "Coal. Abundant. Cheap. American. American jobs. Provides cheap electricity. O'Bummer. Tree-hugging greenies. Unemployment. Black-outs."
Natural Gas. Abundant. Cheap. American. American jobs. Provides cheap electricity. Tea Party fanatics. Can't read. Can't comprehend. Create mess.
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jrsva

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 8:59:46 PM
It is tough for the miners but strip mining is destroying southern West Virginia. Go to Google Earth and look at it. Mountaintop removal / valley fill mining is a disaster. We have got to reduce our use of coal and mine what we do use in a responsible manner.
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joeschmo12

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New York
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2012 8:59:30 PM
Terrible
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