honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2012 3:03:42 AM
indeed roadhog.
not too many stations yet, but why have many stations if there's no demand. So even more chicken / egg?
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the1roadhog

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 5:12:29 AM
Well, the infrastructure for CNG has to be in place, otherwise it's a chicken/egg question.
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honda0105

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2012 4:09:33 AM
good until CNG is as expensive as gasoline.
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avlis82

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Georgia
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2012 5:05:03 AM
Sounds like a more feasible alternative energy then battery powered cars
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bston

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Oklahoma City
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 9:29:36 PM
It will be interesting to follow & see how well it performs in time to come.
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jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:38:29 PM
ok
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listerone

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Boston
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:42:08 PM
If the gas is there it should be used.
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VB_Richard

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Virginia Beach
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 12:13:17 PM
They are the future!!!
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ss70

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 10:13:16 AM
the cost quoted 8 - 10 grand is robbery ... most of the asia conversion are done for less than 2k. Even in canada the price is less than half of that
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Van_Halen

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 9:09:10 AM
. Idiots at WYTV News act like this is something new. Atlanta Gas and Light has been running its vehicles on CNG since they got rid of their horses! My Expedition is dual fuel, gasoline and CNG.
The problem is Honda is the only big company making CNG vehicles and they only have one model and can't build them fast enough. The other problem is the EPA which has stupid rules on what vehicles can and can't be converted. My Expedition is not on the list, but the exact same engine that is in my vehicle is in the F-150, F-250, and Service Vans which are on the list. If a vehicle can run on gasoline, it can run on CNG, the EPA has absolutely no business saying which vehicles can and can't be converted especially since a CNG vehicle emits no emissions that the EPA regulates!
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schatzila

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Los Angeles
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 9:02:52 AM
Bring it out. Different choices is the way to go.
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DesertRat2011

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Riverside
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 8:44:00 AM
Had them when I was a Fleet Manager for a desert City. Most were Ford F-150 bi-fuels. They ran on CNG and then would switch to gas once the CNG tank was empty. Only way you could tell was that the fuel gauge would go from empty to full when it switched. I found them to work very good, just that the tank took up bed space. All our sweepers & buses ran on CNG. Most trash trucks where I live also run on CNG.
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eschroth442

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:41:05 AM
he vechiles are out there so is the infrastructure. All we need is the stations. The gas companies have been running their fleets have been using CNG for years... Time for the rest of the country to get with the program.
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cgrey8

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Atlanta
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 7:18:24 AM
A few months ago, there was an article talking about GE and some other company doing investigation into next generation CNG compressors that pump more fuel and do it for cheaper than current generation CNG compressors. If you are willing to do the CNG conversion to your vehicle yourself, the conversion and tank are not that bad, price-wise. What's expensive is the compressor. That will run nearly 4x the price of the conversion kit and tank. And then if you don't have piping and wiring experience, it'll cost you even more to have the compressor installed in your home. Obviously you have to have NatGas piped to your home.
Point being, once these cheap compressors become available, if ever, then you'll see FAR FAR more adoption of CNG on existing vehicles being converted and new vehicles being sold as CNG. And with more CNG vehicles out there, more infrastructure will be justifiable.
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fuel2use

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Seattle
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 6:43:30 AM
Expand the infrastructure.
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SycamoreISU

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 6:21:08 AM
Eight-tracks were already long gone 20 years ago. There were already suitable alternatives to them.
In contrast, there's still no alternative that seriously competes with gasoline.
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bsnort

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Huntsville
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 6:12:12 AM
Still have a ways to go...........
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Mark8601

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Bakersfield
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 5:53:57 AM
Check with AAA or your local utility Co. to see if and where CNG is available. School and mass transit buses run on it usually.
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EvergreenON

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 5:19:15 AM
Long way to go....
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scu227

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New Haven
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 5:13:48 AM
All for it, but need to see some refueling stations first
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rbrowdersr

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 4:05:23 AM
At the present moment, an oddity.
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checkum

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St. Louis
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:58:25 AM
hope to see a refueling station near me soon
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remay

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Houston
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:52:19 AM
Nice... Need to take advantage of all forms of alternate energy sources...
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tbgasmizer

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:45:07 AM
Go CNG.
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Ringmaster2008

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:43:50 AM
Will have to have a better infrastructure in place before they really take off.
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sdchris

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San Diego
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:42:34 AM
ok
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Paw5X

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Gary
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:39:11 AM
Gotta start somewhere!
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ghoag

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Twin Cities
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:38:53 AM
Where can you buy that fuel?
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forderjunk

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Maine
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:37:30 AM
will be another 10 years min. before there is enough infrastructure to support it
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fordfan1

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:37:05 AM
These vehicles make good sense right now with there so much natural gas out there!!!!
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slkmoo

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Ontario
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:36:54 AM
ok
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RUNNINONEMPTYFL

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Florida
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:35:13 AM
Here we go again...
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TxMtb

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:34:34 AM
Will make good use of CNG. Need a backbone of fueling options and of course the price will increase as they are building them and the demand increases.
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keithyoon1977

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:31:24 AM
ok
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jppezz

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New Mexico
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:31:23 AM
Now watch the natural gas prices rise.
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bobzilla11

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Indiana
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:30:47 AM
options
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nb52

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Grand Rapids
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:30:45 AM
Sounds like a fad to me.
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mark1962

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Albany
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:30:33 AM
A great way to save fuel.
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sappie

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:30:17 AM
no good.
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GasPriceHelp4u

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Dayton
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:29:44 AM
Make sure we have enough for the home heating first!!!
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HelenT

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Buffalo
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:28:26 AM
let's not increase the cost of heating our homes.
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padlocks2

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:28:00 AM
Good for everyone
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FPLREP

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:27:29 AM
no natural gas in my town.
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prcoqui

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:25:28 AM
Good for fleets.
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BoerneWatch

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San Antonio
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:24:50 AM
Interesting.
I did not know that CNG burned hotter than diesel and gasoline. Kind of an expensive conversion.
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timarcos

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Corpus Christi
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:24:17 AM
Ok.
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OldMan322

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:24:04 AM
"isem" Yes, but it is a good one
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smokinjoe54

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:23:39 AM
I'd use it.
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Clayton2000

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:23:09 AM
Might give it a try, not around here yet
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BigE350

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2012 3:23:02 AM
I'd consider it if there were more public fuel stations around.
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