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Hydrogen could boost gas mileage in cars; UNF prof skeptical

Florida Times-Union -- With gas prices eclipsing $4 per gallon for the first time since 2008, the technology of hydrogen-to-internal combustion engines is gaining traction.

Littlefoot Integrations run by Vaughn Paul of Bryceville is beginning to make some headway with hydrogen technology he says can increase gas mileage by 30 percent to as much as 70 percent.

Paul bills his device as “water for fuel.” The system he offers — $599 for smaller engines and $799 for engines larger than 5.7 liters — is a hydrogen extraction device that boosts a regular gasoline or diesel-fed engine with hydrogen.

“The goal of the product is to increase gas mileage,” Paul said. “We supplement gasoline or diesel with hydrogen. … It basically creates hydrogen from water.”

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littlefootLLC Rookie Author Virginia Posts:1 Points:195 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: May 23, 2012 8:02:38 PM Ignore littlefootLLC Report Abuse It has been proven in many studies by both public and private entities that Hydrogen does in fact enhance the performance of internal combustion engines. The auto manufacturers in this country could assist in this technology greatly. Other countries are getting it done and there will be fully Hydrogen On Demand Powered vehicles available in the very near future. To all people and companies in the world studying new technologies, "keep up the good work", we need your solutions to safe alternative energy on any scale.
Shockjock1961 Champion Author Illinois Posts:20,375 Points:2,211,885 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 27, 2012 6:39:26 AM Ignore Shockjock1961 Report Abuse Here is something even better the hydrogen! A water atomic engine! Newly acknowledged ultra-powerful water atomic energy without radioactivity is heat-released from water hydrogen with Rocketjet Corporation's Water Atomic Engine, US Patent No. 7,685,973. It will END GLOBAL WARMING and start a FREE ENERGY ERA Wow! FREE ENERGY! Everyone should run out an get one now, before BIG oil has everyone associated with this miracle product assassinated!!!
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,828 Points:1,637,220 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2012 3:06:41 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse skeptical is a good thing in new technology. Let's prove that it works not just once or twice, but consistently.
DanMtz Champion Author Oakland Posts:3,496 Points:1,271,125 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 5:14:52 PM Ignore DanMtz Report Abuse If it works, he should be selling his system to the Big Three.
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,402 Points:1,769,405 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 5:01:20 PM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse Skeptical for good reason.
dave27johnson Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,823 Points:433,070 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 4:06:09 PM Ignore dave27johnson Report Abuse Interesting but sounds dangerous. If it were as good as billed, then it probably would be in wider use already.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,144 Points:625,660 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 10:39:24 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
bowler360 Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,110 Points:527,250 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 6:12:14 AM Ignore bowler360 Report Abuse Wouldn't mind readoing more of the science behind it. Would it produce it cost though?
Chem60 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:4,024 Points:840,750 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Apr 23, 2012 2:55:45 AM Ignore Chem60 Report Abuse A few caveats, potassium hydroxide is very corrosive and the hydrogen being produced does make the fuel (gasoline) burn hotter, but that does not necessarily mean it is an answer to our energy problems. Our engines are not designed for this added heat. There are no studies of actual mileage improvements, just anecdotal stories from folks who probably have (unconsciously or consciously) modified their driving behavior when they added the device.
Mnbncounter Champion Author San Jose Posts:20,263 Points:4,203,440 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:41:03 PM Ignore Mnbncounter Report Abuse Seems to me that Professor Campbell hasn't tested Mr. Paul device. I can understand his skepticism, but maybe he should test before making a summary judgement.
mpg611 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,479 Points:596,795 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:28:20 PM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse "Could"? Perhaps its time to experiment and test before getting everyone's hopes up with articles such as this one.
96sc1 Champion Author El Paso Posts:8,517 Points:1,367,440 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:27:51 PM Ignore 96sc1 Report Abuse In what way would this be better than simple water injection?
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,854 Points:759,540 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:10:32 PM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Let's see it in the real world
ssect8 Champion Author Hartford Posts:8,131 Points:2,119,005 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:07:45 PM Ignore ssect8 Report Abuse Another useless idea.
69Bonne Champion Author Gary Posts:1,256 Points:493,350 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:06:32 PM Ignore 69Bonne Report Abuse But is it really safe?
geoag02 All-Star Author Dallas Posts:843 Points:177,970 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:04:32 PM Ignore geoag02 Report Abuse Wow, cool!! Can I buy snake oil from the same place?
jci25946 Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,402 Points:967,265 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 9:02:36 PM Ignore jci25946 Report Abuse I'll belive it when I see it!!!
jjfisher All-Star Author Toledo Posts:559 Points:771,600 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:59:31 PM Ignore jjfisher Report Abuse ok
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,910 Points:1,928,350 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:56:19 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse Gasoline doesn't have to be this high! When Clinton was President it was under a dollar a gallon.
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,127 Points:823,185 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:55:27 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Worth a shot.
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,854 Points:759,540 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:54:34 PM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Let's see it in the real world
letterchunker Champion Author Texas Posts:2,335 Points:683,150 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:53:03 PM Ignore letterchunker Report Abuse That is old technology that has worked for years but just can't catch on for some reason.
SandyS2 Rookie Author Ontario Posts:22 Points:58,690 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:50:32 PM Ignore SandyS2 Report Abuse ok
DriverofRed Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,308 Points:436,660 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:47:40 PM Ignore DriverofRed Report Abuse ok
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,980 Points:1,458,450 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:43:32 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse Sounds like the old 100-mpg carburetor to me...
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,174 Points:1,755,920 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:42:17 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse good luck with that
Taurus1 Champion Author Ohio Posts:3,214 Points:1,693,005 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:42:02 PM Ignore Taurus1 Report Abuse ok
Fitwit Champion Author Stockton Posts:6,523 Points:1,379,755 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:41:53 PM Ignore Fitwit Report Abuse It would be nice if they do.
WinderGuy Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,965 Points:956,010 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:38:52 PM Ignore WinderGuy Report Abuse Ok
armey Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,296 Points:310,555 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:38:40 PM Ignore armey Report Abuse Uh sounds cool!
NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,164 Points:1,340,880 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:37:34 PM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse The problem with hydrogen fuel right now is that it is made from fossil fuel, and takes a lot of energy to make. We need to wake up to Aneutronic Fusion, using the hydrogen/boron fuel cycle, e.g. (H + 11B > 3 4He + 8.7 MeV) All of our power problems would be solved then, and we would have enough raw power to crack water into hydrogen fuel, and be able to run truly non-polluting hydrogen powered vehicles. If we would invest in this future power source, all these ridiculous ethanol plants, wind mills, solar cells and other low density power schemes would disappear, replaced by the power of the mighty atom.
freedomsailor Champion Author Naples Posts:2,269 Points:438,370 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:37:31 PM Ignore freedomsailor Report Abuse Believe it when I see it.
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,440 Points:546,000 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:35:26 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse This sounds good, but let's see them in action. Will it work on big trucks? Is it promising or a gimmick?
fenster66 Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:3,485 Points:700,815 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:33:45 PM Ignore fenster66 Report Abuse interesting...
carman11 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,480 Points:719,425 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:31:36 PM Ignore carman11 Report Abuse INTERESTING
Mr Tex All-Star Author Dallas Posts:897 Points:2,502,635 Joined:Jan 2004	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:30:49 PM Ignore Mr Tex Report Abuse Alternatives?
ItsMorph Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:33,656 Points:3,213,010 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:29:52 PM Ignore ItsMorph Report Abuse I would love to have a fuel cell vehicle.
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,705 Points:2,472,635 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:29:41 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse maybe they can figure a way to inhale it with no dangerous side effects ??
USCCRN Sophomore Author Long Island Posts:145 Points:104,240 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:29:26 PM Ignore USCCRN Report Abuse I'm surprised the government hasn't endorsed the more widespread use of this technology.
bif65 Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,024 Points:200,525 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:28:29 PM Ignore bif65 Report Abuse ok
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,204 Points:1,654,785 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:28:27 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse Just about all mileage claims have turned out to be wishful thinking
HYEgasCA Champion Author Fresno Posts:2,126 Points:934,425 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:28:05 PM Ignore HYEgasCA Report Abuse Ill be impressed when I see them driving up and down the street.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:8,052 Points:1,600,730 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:26:38 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse interesting idea
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:4,089 Points:1,533,170 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:24:50 PM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse Hasn't this been in the works for many years. Now I think it is time to get it done.
Thomtec Champion Author Nashville Posts:2,600 Points:635,395 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:24:32 PM Ignore Thomtec Report Abuse Test. Test test.that is how an invention becomes an innovation. Not throwing money at unproven technology. It takes time and no liberal do go polititions can rush an engineering feat with laws and regulations. Barry is Not capable of choosing winners when does not have the vision himself for this technology to succeed.
firemunkee Veteran Author Maryland Posts:408 Points:56,450 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:23:24 PM Ignore firemunkee Report Abuse interesting.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,337 Points:817,685 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:20:48 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Hey, whatever works.
nehemiah Champion Author Portland Posts:4,896 Points:958,090 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:20:28 PM Ignore nehemiah Report Abuse quit talking and get it working
ratones1 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,987 Points:756,755 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:18:08 PM Ignore ratones1 Report Abuse OK...
donnamarieb333 Veteran Author South Carolina Posts:397 Points:181,340 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Apr 22, 2012 8:17:10 PM Ignore donnamarieb333 Report Abuse i have seen some pretty cool devices or altered motors but the big problem being there's never enough room left over for passengers. if everybody has to have a personal vehicle, put a hood on a moped = problem solved